000 WTPZ42 KNHC 232033 TCDEP2 TROPICAL STORM NORA DISCUSSION NUMBER 4 NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP172009 200 PM PDT WED SEP 23 2009 THE ORGANIZATION OF THE CLOUD PATTERN IS DEFINITELY IN AN UPWARD TREND. THE PATTERN RESEMBLES A NUMBER SIX WITH A WELL DEFINED CYCLONICALLY-CURVED CONVECTIVE BAND WHICH WRAPS AROUND A SMALL CENTRAL DENSE OVERCAST. THERE ARE NO SIGNS OF SHEAR GIVEN THAT THE OUTFLOW IS FAIR IN ALL DIRECTIONS. T-NUMBERS FROM BOTH TAFB AND SAB ARE 3.0 ON THE DVORAK SCALE...AND BASED ON THESE NUMBERS... THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS SET AT 45 KNOTS. NORA HAS A DAY OR TWO TO STRENGTHEN BEFORE THE SHEAR INCREASES AS INDICATED BY MOST OF THE GLOBAL MODELS. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS ONE AND FOLLOWS THE SHIPS MODEL. THE GFDL/HWRF MODEL PAIR MAKES NORA A HURRICANE IN A DAY OR SO AND ALTHOUGH THIS SOLUTION DOES NOT SEEM LIKELY AT THIS TIME...IT IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION. BEST ESTIMATE OF THE INITIAL MOTION IS 290 DEGREES AT 6 KNOTS. GLOBAL MODELS INDICATE THAT THE SUBTROPICAL RIDE NORTH OF NORA WILL EXPAND WESTWARD. THIS PATTERN SHOULD FORCE NORA TO TURN MORE TO THE WEST DURING THE NEXT TWO TO THREE DAYS BEFORE NORA BECOMES A REMNANT LOW. IN FACT...THE MODEL CONSENSUS SHOWS A DEFINITELY WESTWARD TRACK DURING THE NEXT THREE DAYS AND SO DOES THE OFFICIAL FORECAST. THE GFDL/HWRF PAIR MOVE NORA ON A MORE NORTHERLY TRACK BUT THIS SOLUTION DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE REALISTIC AT THIS TIME WITH THE EXPECTED STEERING PATTERN. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INITIAL 23/2100Z 16.8N 118.6W 45 KT 12HR VT 24/0600Z 17.2N 119.6W 55 KT 24HR VT 24/1800Z 17.3N 120.5W 55 KT 36HR VT 25/0600Z 17.3N 121.5W 50 KT 48HR VT 25/1800Z 17.3N 122.5W 40 KT 72HR VT 26/1800Z 17.5N 125.5W 30 KT 96HR VT 27/1800Z 19.0N 128.0W 20 KT...REMNANT LOW 120HR VT 28/1800Z 20.5N 130.0W 20 KT...REMNANT LOW $$ FORECASTER AVILA