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TROPICAL DEPRESSION FOURTEEN DISCUSSION NUMBER   8
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
5 AM EDT WED OCT 16 2002
 
THE CENTER IS EXCEEDINGLY DIFFICULT TO LOCATE ON NIGHTTIME 
IMAGERY...AND THE PLANNED RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT HAD MECHANICAL 
PROBLEMS...SO THE INITIAL LOCATION IS UNCLEAR.  SATELLITE POSITION 
ESTIMATES FROM TAFB AND SAB ARE ABOUT 60 MILES APART.  NEAR AS I CAN 
TELL...THE DEPRESSION IS BASICALLY ON TRACK...WITH AN INITIAL MOTION 
OF 040/11.  THE DEPRESSION IS EMBEDDED IN THE SOUTHWESTERLY FLOW 
AHEAD OF A FRONTAL ZONE.  MODEL GUIDANCE IS IN GOOD AGREEMENT ON A 
CONTINUED NORTHEASTWARD TRACK...ALTHOUGH THE FORWARD SPEEDS VARY 
CONSIDERABLY...WITH THE GFS BEING ON THE SLOW SIDE OF THE GUIDANCE 
ENVELOPE.  THE OFFICIAL TRACK IS ESSENTIALLY AN UPDATE OF THE 
PREVIOUS ADVISORY.

RECONNAISSANCE REPORTS FROM THE LAST MISSION AROUND 00Z SHOWED THAT 
THERE WAS VERY LITTLE NORTHEASTERLY FLOW IN THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT 
OF THE DEPRESSION...MEANING THAT THE CIRCULATION IS CLOSE TO OPENING 
UP INTO A TROUGH.  UNLESS THE DEPRESSION BECOMES BETTER ORGANIZED 
SOON...THE CLOSED CIRCULATION WILL DISSIPATE AS THE SYSTEM 
ACCELERATES NORTHEASTWARD.  WITH THE SYSTEM RUNNING OUT OF TIME 
BEFORE MAKING LANDFALL IN CENTRAL CUBA...THE DEPRESSION MAY NEVER 
GET TO MAKE ITS MARKO AS A TROPICAL STORM.  TO BE ON THE SAFE 
SIDE...THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST STILL SHOWS THE SYSTEM 
REACHING 35 KT IN THE BAHAMAS...BUT I SUSPECT THAT THE DEPRESSION 
WILL BE EITHER DISSIPATED OR EXTRATROPICAL BY THEN.  REGARDLESS OF 
THE SYSTEM STATUS...THE ASSOCIATED WEATHER WILL BE THAT OF A 
BORDERLINE TROPICAL STORM IN TERMS OF THE RAIN AND WIND HAZARDS.  
 
FORECASTER FRANKLIN
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS
 
INITIAL     16/0900Z 21.0N  81.2W    30 KTS
12HR VT     16/1800Z 22.5N  79.8W    30 KTS
24HR VT     17/0600Z 24.7N  77.0W    35 KTS
36HR VT     17/1800Z 27.5N  74.5W    35 KTS...EXTRATROPICAL
48HR VT     18/0600Z...ABSORBED INTO FRONTAL ZONE
 
 
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